To find a list of FFL Dealers in your area area CLICK HERE. It might differ since yours is a shotgun as well. Hello Eric have a question about ar pistol if i install the AR maglock on my pistol will i still have to pin the muzzle break on the barrel.? What are my options? Looks like you're running a large mag there, how does that work for competition? Drops right in no issues and looks amazing. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/01/19/lantac-bolt-action-ar-15-bcg/ I'm disappointing, as I like it and it was a good recommendation otherwise. The Sig Sauer P365 XL is a slightly larger version of the renowned P365 micro-compact semi-auto pistol, trusted by CCW permit holders and personal defense shooters with larger hands and who might struggle to comfortably Hi Morgan, I haven't since I believe it is only legal for NY and not CA. As long as it is featureless I do not have to register as an AW? My money is on no still. The Stock Stop from Strike Industries actually locks it in place both front and back so it can only be used in 1 location. Use of them does not imply Hot garbage. Thats the point. I'll try to update the article with what comes out about 80% projects. I will not have to register it as an AW? Will be we need to register these AR's in Featureless configuration as AW? Im also writing this mostly towards residents in California, but New York residents can also benefit. Anyways. I'm building a new featureless AR soon and was planning on picking one of these grips up to test - I'll reply back here with more info once I do! Thanks KC. Hi, definitely double-check with a lawyer since I am not, but as far as I understand you should be able to use any release if you register as an AW. 1. make it features? I realize of course that any response is not a legal opinion. All Rights Reserved | 1068 N. 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If the following is true, how does making our AR15 open up separating the upper from the lower before we can drop the clip, not an AW? Why in the world would the people of California want these laws????? IMO and per another YT'br the featureless route keeps it functioning as designed minus some ergo bs, and you can still use your legal mags. This enables shooters to enjoy the normal ergonomics of the AR-15 rifle. To avoid registration you need to be EITHER fixed mag (thus forcing you to open the upper from the lower to release the mag) OR featureless. If you really love your current buttstock or really want to save money, you can go ahead with blind pinning and epoxying your buttstock. They are trying to dissuade people from buying guns in California. So with all the new crazy Gun laws.. is the frs stock California legal?? Looks like if yours are not on the appendix lists on page 2 you really need not worry if your magazine is considered non detachable meaning you're using a bullet button, radlock or similar device. Truly the only thing to do is GTFO and don't look back. I believe for either NJ or NY it does - that is where the confusion stems from. Interesting article. I know you're not lawyers but I can't seem to find a competition answer anywhere. Disclaimer: this is not legal advice and you should double-check everything, especially since the laws surrounding this always seem to be in flux. So once putting a ARMagLock on my ar15 while keeping all my evil features do I then register with the DOJ that my rifle has a ARMagLock? I am not certain anyone has mentioned it but Ruger makes an AR-566 Model: 8510 that looks a lot like the Stag shown. Am it correct that we have till 01/01/18 to comply or register as a AW? So if I read this right, and follow the chart accordingly, I can go totally featureless (which I have already) which then removes my AR from AW status. Not seeing a whole lot out there, so yea. I've already got one installed. I've heard some of the older versions (especially 4-piece designs) are categorized as flash hiders. so Californians let themselves be disarmed by the legislature for their own safety? On the easier side to fixjust dont have one and pick up a thread protector. Doing it before July 2018 means you can put any number you want, after July 2018 requires you send in a form to CA DoJ to get permission and a number assigned to you. All of mine are featureless now so it's ok to me! WebMuzzle Brakes Round Limiters Sights Sling Mounts Stocks & Accessories NDZ Performance Sig Sauer P365XL Threaded Barrel and Thread Protector in Match Grade (1) Make sure the 2nd to last hole works for you. Select what level shooter you are! And for those who have standard/high-capacity magazines, you are only allowed to use them in featureless builds. Eric, thanks for the information. Question? So you give in to what they want rather than fight back Seems most have forgot what the guns were truly for. The awesome thing is that you can get your thumb around the grip which gives almost the same control as a regular pistol grip. Not legal advice, I would consult with Patriot Magbut it is meant to make it compliant into 2018 since you need to open the action to activate the mag release. Will give the Resurgent Arms Grip a try. Do I still have to change that configuration? If you check their website it looks fine, but on receiving the product the first line of description on the back of the card inside the blister packaging reads: "Provides dramatic flash reduction and reduced recoil". A $16.95 handling fee will be charged per order. Did I understand the Bullet button section correctly? So there you have it, how to make a featureless AR-15 or other rifles in California/New York. "Ghost gun" is just a term for homebuilt guns that come from 80% receivers. We already have an account registered for email address This is absolutely ridiculous. Unfortunately, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit issued a stay, ultimately leaving the ban in place as the case works its way through the appeals process. Hi John, thanks for the insight. I believe it has to never been made into something with the "evil" features. Hi Eric, thanks for all the great info. Does that mean having a maglock and the other features you still have to register it? Military stationed in CA is NOT exempt and current law enforcement is. They are trying to make it to painful to own one. I don't think I've seen anyone offer any kind of fixed magazine option for 9mm lowers, personally, my AR-9 is featureless. The FFL Dealer is in business to make a profit and your internet purchase may be viewed as competition to their retail business. I'm partial to my AFAB - functions as both a brake (~50% recoil reduction) and a compensator while at the same time outperforming an A2 flash hider in flash reduction (check out TTAG brake/compensator/flash hider comparison parts 1 & 2) - plus it just looks cool! WebTaper Mount Thread Protector is compatible with this muzzle device for added protection of thread mounts. Which gives me an idea for another article Love the website and the great info! I have the same one and trying to track origin. You can also flick the safety lever from this position but unless you have a very extended version, its hard to re-engage. Proof positive that gun laws are made by people who know nothing about guns. What about 'blast mitigation devices' like the Lantac that force gasses forward instead of left/right? It will depend on your FFLsome are more risk adverse than others since there's some interpretation of the featureless laws. Some Muzzle Brakes Chilling. All barrels are conventionally rifled to allow a wider range of ammunition to be used, including cast lead. I was pleasantly surprised that the Thordsen stock fits me much better than any stock I've ever tried before. We hate SPAM and promise to keep your email address safe. These barrels are then given a black Nitride or Weve got you covered. just wondering, i'm trying to follow your chart but where is appendix A, B etc.. Also i own a PCC, 45acp. But when it gets to the pistol grip I am stymied. Shark Fin!! At the end of the day, do they pat themselves on the back and really believe they are helping? Yes, with a maglock you can put all the fun features you want on. The device is finished in type 2 Tiodize, a dull grey, durable, anti-galling finish. I'd rather shoot then surf. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared With their superior quality, precision machining, innovative design, and lifetime guarantee, Faxon's Muzzle Devices are an excellent investment for any serious shooter. If it talks about flash hiding or suppressing in the description, just err on the safe side and dont get it. Call the FFL Dealer and set an appointment to confirm that the firearm is ready to be transferred. Build it featureless and youre good to go. I ought to remove them? Lets say Im purchasing an AR online from a seller in a different state and doing a transfer through my local FFL. This item is currently unavailable. I'd ask forums or the manufacturer. That's a good question. With ammo tight who wants to spew out 30 round groups anyway? Considering that the Stock Stop has been on the market for years and I've never heard of any case being brought against someone for using it, I would view it as a very safe option legally. WebStart here at the SIG SAUER Store online! Cheers! any affiliation with or endorsement by them. I have spent countless hours trying to figure how to make my AR's featureless. I soaked up as much information as I could online, at competitions, and from tinkering in my workshop. Thanks in advance. After all the discussion about the various featureless features, you might wonder why were including a rifle with a pretty clearly defined pistol grip. I use the featureless grip by resurgent arms very comfortable. I read your article and am very confused. Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. Have you seen the new featureless grip by resurgentarms.com. Thanks in advance for any help! If you choose a dealer that is not on our preferred list, either you or the FFL Dealer will be required to submit a copy of the Federal Firearms License referencing your Cheaper Than Dirt! I've actually been doing a lot of research and ended up figuring it out. You can't reason with them; just play by the rules so you yourself don't end up ruining your life because you didn't follow their arbitrary guidelines on what a rifle can look like. As far as I know, there's no rule to force you to take off the bullet button if you go featureless. Lastly, the length of pull is increased slightly because of the grip. A featureless rifle (in California) is one that does not have any of the following: A featureless rifle allows the use of detachable magazines and lawfully owned standard-capacitymagazines. The author of the original article is *way* overdue for an update on this topic. Great article by the way, short, to the point, has nice visuals, and gives a good list of options and alternatives. Great article. TC. I have a Kriss Vector.45 carbine, how to make it featureless ? Click the link I have in the article since I did not take a screenshot of it. Once you place the firearm in your cart and checkout you will receive a confirmation email that has your order number and further instructions. Yeajust going the more cautious side. Good writeup, thanks. Funny thing is, about a year after I moved here they left haha. Featureless should negate needing to register in 2017. Any thoughts on whether or not the AR Spur will fly in Ca. Type your email address and well send I am moving to Ca and need to get myself legal or change my weapon to featureless. These are NEW Sig Factory magazines that fit and function in the Sig P365 and P365XL. To be notified when back in stock, please enter your email address. Currently most people believe that going featureless will exempt you from the new AW registration laws in California. A device attached to the front muzzle that reduces the flash from shooting. We will be ordering and shipping magazines as long as we are allowed. Please contact customer service at 603-610-3000 option 1. $144.99. I wanna try that pistol run. This monstrosity below is an example of a thumbhole stock where the thumb of the trigger hand can go through the stock when firing. Or we could just stand up like we all had balls, and tell them what to do with their stupid, unconstitutional bs laws. They will get their way all the time and it is pointless to try and fight it. Will 80% lowers be banned ? What brand/model are the muzzle brake/compensator that you are currently using in your competition guns? So regular bullet button with evil features or featureless. I have looked at pictures of a number of various products including "hammerhead", shark fin, the spur, the Patrick Henry trigger guard, (and a combination of spur and PH trigger guard) and the Ledesma Arms "rifle grip". What I used to run in my featureless rifle. It doesn't have to be pinned and welded in California if the barrel is already 16 inches. Everything costs 40% more then anywhere else, traffic jams 365 days a year, smog checks, damn near everything is illegal. In order for it to truly be featureless you have to remove the Bullet Button? Was linked here from the CT law page, but your featureless builds wont work in CT due to the definition of finger placement in relation to the action. Create your account and enjoy a new shopping experience. 4.) Don't lose confidence in your carry handgun by using sub par components. Hey Damon, I'd ask a lawyer for advice since your question has some special cases. A lot of folks seem to think the Medieval brake is good to go, but honestly, who wants to take the risk? You cut a rubber piece so that it fits your buffer tube and only shows one hole. I HATE THIS SHITHOLE FASCIST BASTARD OF A STATE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk2rpbHdko8. Actual buyer must pickup from FFL dealer who will conduct the background check. Even letters to our representatives won't work because all politicians are cut from the same bolt of cloth. a combination unit) those are legal. About Faxon Match Series Barrels for SIG P365 & P365XL. Great write-up! Icarus Precision states We are excited to offer our first custom slide for the P365 and P365XL. I have not heard anything about the use of the Fab10 lower receivers. Some people just disable/take-off the lever that lets you easily adjust the stock, but I just always skew towards making it really unadjustable. Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. I registered it before that 2000 registration requirement. Hi Jack, AFAIK it will be illegal to buy or sell AW after 1/1/2017 and you have until 1/1/2018 to register or make featureless/fixed mag (that requires opening up the action instead of the regular bullet button). And that AFAB looks really cool. Thanks! The barrels drop into factory-spec slides with no gunsmithing required. So youll have to pin/weld an approved muzzle device and somehow not have handguards. The best new bullet button I like is the AR MagLock + Patriot Pin. Just finished converting mine to featureless. You'll now receive newsletters of our best articles on techniques, Not just the gun laws either. First off, your website is awesome! and would that need to be registered if its just parts? Wish we had your silencer laws! If you do go maglock there are some decent options to help with reloading such as Bear Flag Defense BF-10. This article is incorrect. The MegaFin adds a very nice thumbshelf for right-handed shooters that gives you a lot more control. And again with all these things being done you cane remove the bullet button to standard mag release, is that correct? Ive watched a bunch of vids and looked at the different products for a while. Check out the rest of our favorite AR-15 Buttstocks where we rate them based on weight, price, and of coursecheekweld. John Wick, The Terminal List, Fate of the Furious Watch celebrities and sharp shooters run the range, CCW, Optics, Belt Gear, Springs, Lasers and more, Get the latest updates on new products and upcoming sales, Ask The Automotive Experts anything on Spark-Demo. If you want something with the best recoil reduction and least reticle movementlook at the Precision Armament M4-72 Severe Duty. Ready to go Firearms, Handgun All Inclusive Packages. are 22lr rifles exempt from the featureless rule? It allows you to hold it in a pistol fashion where the web between the thumb and the finger rests below the exposed trigger when firing. Not worth it in my opinion. And the other way around. It just comes off as something to drive people away from guns and/or get gun-enthusiasts to move out of the state. Thanks! As of now will this cover me until the end of the year or should I remove the pistol grip and collapsible stock? 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